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2> There have always been controversial counts in boxing. In 1900 Terry McGovern was reputedly down for up to 20 seconds after being floored by Oscar Gardner; McGovern knocked Gardner out in the next round.[2] In 1915 Bombardier Billy Wells received a long count in his fight with Dick Smith; when Wells was knocked down, referee Tom Dunning, officiating from outside the ring, did not begin the count until he had climbed into the ring, which gave Wells an extra six seconds to recover.[2] The term is now often associated with Jack Dempsey's 1927 heavyweight championship fight against Gene Tunney. In the seventh round Dempsey knocked Tunney down, but did not go to a neutral corner as a new rule required him to. Referee Dave Barry did not start counting over Tunney until he had ushered Dempsey to a neutral corner, wasting several seconds. Tunney rose to his feet having been on the canvas for around 17 seconds and went on to win a decision, thus retaining his title. The controversy over the long count ensured the fight went down in history as The Battle of the Long Count.[3] Since then there have been many other fights which have had a long count controversy. Referee Billy Conn was accused of giving Carlos Ortiz a long count against Sugar Ramos, which led to a rematch being ordered.[4] Archie Moore maintained that Rocky Marciano had received extra time to recover when the referee erroneously gave Marciano a standing eight count after being knocked down by Moore in their 1955 fight.[5] In their 1965 rematch, Sonny Liston was knocked down by Muhammad Ali but in the confusion which followed Liston was down for more than 10 seconds, before getting up and resuming the fight. At Nat Fleischer's prompting, referee Jersey Joe Walcott then stopped the fight 17 seconds after the knockdown.[6] In February 1990, following James 'Buster' Douglas' upset victory over Mike Tyson, Tyson's camp led by Don King tried to overturn the result, arguing that Douglas had spent between 13 and 14 seconds on the canvas after being knocked down by Tyson in an earlier round, and had therefore been knocked out first.[5][7] Manny Pacquiao's camp alleged Juan Manuel Marquez received a slow count from Joe Cortez in their 2004 featherweight title bout.[8] Lucian Bute's 2008 fight with Librado Andrade had a long count controversy which drew comparisons with Dempsey-Tunney. Bute, ahead on points, was knocked down in the final seconds of the bout, rose at the count of six, and then the referee interrupted the count in order to send Andrade back to a neutral corner. By the time the count had finished, twenty seconds had elapsed.[9][10] [edit]

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2> Despite the Marquess of Queensberry Rules stipulating that a fighter has ten seconds to rise from a knockdown,[1] studies of knockouts have shown that a referee's ten count does not typically last ten seconds.[11] When Billy Conn was counted out against Joe Louis, the count lasted 12.4 seconds.[11] Several previous Mike Tyson opponents were shown to have had a ten count which lasted over ten seconds.[11] In his fight with Douglas, Tyson received a ten count which lasted 14 seconds.[6] Ingemar Johansson was thought to have got a short count after being knocked down by Floyd Patterson in their 1961 rubbermatch, having been counted out despite rising a split second before the referee reached ten. Film footage showed Johansson had actually been down for between 11 and 12 seconds.[12] Ultimately a referee's ten count is rarely a precise ten seconds; rather it is simply a human's count to ten.[5] [edit]

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2> ^ a b "Marquess of Queensberry rules". Bbhof.com. http://bbhof.info/history-of-british-boxing/marquess-of-queensberry-rules/. Retrieved 20 September 2011.  ^ a b "Memorable Long Counts In Boxing". Boxing Insider. http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/memorable-long-counts-in-boxing/. Retrieved 20 September 2011.  ^ "The Long Count". Sports Illustrated. 1997-09-22. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1010934/index.htm. Retrieved 2011-09-21.  ^ "'Long Count' charged in title fight". The Deseret News. 1966-10-25. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=oqpSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4H8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5149,5649567. Retrieved 2011-09-20.  ^ a b c Gustkey, Earl (1990-02-12). "Long Count Spurs Long Delay". Los Angeles Times. http://articles.latimes.com/1990-02-12/sports/sp-503_1_long-count. Retrieved 2011-09-20.  ^ a b Anderson, Dave (1990-02-12). "Referee's Count Is What Counts". New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/12/sports/sports-of-the-times-referee-s-count-is-what-counts.html. Retrieved 2011-09-20.  ^ "What They Really Meant to Say Was...". Los Angeles Times. 1990-02-14. http://articles.latimes.com/1990-02-14/sports/sp-658_1_buster-douglas. Retrieved 2011-09-20.  ^ Katz, Michael (2004-05-10). "Featherweights unsatisfied with draw". New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/10/sports/boxing-featherweights-unsatisfied-with-draw.html?scp=1&sq=boxing%20slow%20count&st=cse. Retrieved 2011-09-20.  ^ "Lucian Bute, Librado Andrade, Marlon B. Wright and the Incompetent Timekeeper – A Non-Controversy". EastSideBoxing. http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=17659&more=1. Retrieved 20 September 2011.  ^ "Bute Defeats Andrade on Long Count". Boxing News 24. http://www.boxingnews24.com/2008/10/bute-defeats-andrade-on-long-count-latest-boxing-news/. Retrieved 20 September 2011.  ^ a b c Florence, Mal (1990-02-13). "A Long History of Long Counts". Los Angeles Times. http://articles.latimes.com/1990-02-13/sports/sp-628_1_long-counts. Retrieved 2011-09-20.  ^ "Films show Ingo got long count". The Modesto Bee. 1961-03-15. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CEkhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IYAFAAAAIBAJ&pg=977,2717050. Retrieved 2011-09-20.  v t e Boxing Professional boxing Amateur boxing London Prize Ring Rules Marquess of Queensberry Rules Terms The distance Below the belt Cutman Weight class Gatekeeper Journeyman Punching power Punch-out Long Count Lineal championship Outpoint Punches Jab Cross Hook (Swing) Uppercut Overhand Counterpunch (Cross-counter) Bolo punch Short straight-punch Rabbit punch Liver punch (Shot) Styles and technique Bob and weave Bobbing Slipping One-two combo Check hook Peek-a-Boo Rope-a-dope Orthodox stance Southpaw stance Related articles Boxing glove Chess boxing Tent boxing Dementia pugilistica Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Long_Count&oldid=492989727" Categories: Boxing terminology Personal tools Log in / create account Namespaces Article Talk Variants Views Read Edit View history Actions Search Navigation Main page Contents Featured content Current events Random article Donate to Wikipedia Interaction Help About Wikipedia Community portal Recent changes Contact Wikipedia Toolbox What links here Related changes Upload file Special pages Permanent link Cite this page Print/export Create a bookDownload as PDFPrintable version This page was last modified on 17 May 2012 at 07:46. Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. See Terms of use for details. Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a non-profit organization.Contact us Privacy policy About Wikipedia Disclaimers Mobile view if(window.mw){ mw.loader.state({"site":"loading","user":"ready","user.groups":"ready"}); } if(window.mw){ mw.loader.load(["mediawiki.user","mediawiki.page.ready","mediawiki.legacy.mwsuggest","ext.gadget.teahouse","ext.vector.collapsibleNav","ext.vector.collapsibleTabs","ext.vector.editWarning","ext.vector.simpleSearch","ext.UserBuckets","ext.articleFeedback.startup","ext.articleFeedbackv5.startup","ext.markAsHelpful"], null, true); }

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